GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: As we just saw in Jake's piece, the first
Republican presidential debate was held in South Carolina last night.
Only five of the contenders showed up, which meant that our next guest
drew a lot of the fire. And Tim Pawlenty, the former governor of
Minnesota, joins us now from Greenville, South Carolina. Thanks for
coming on this morning, governor.
TIM PAWLENTY: Delighted to be with you, George.
STEPHANOPOULOS: In that debate last night, you said that the first
order of business for the United States federal government is to protect
this country and the American people. So, I wonder what you say in a
debate with President Obama when he comes out and says when it comes to
protecting America, I've kept my promises. Osama is gone. Our troops are
coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. And a weakened al Qaeda has not
succeeded on a major attack on our homeland. When President Obama makes
the case that America is safer on his watch, how will you respond?
TIM PAWLENTY: Well, a number of things. First, I do congratulate him,
George, for the fine job he did in finding and killing Osama bin Laden. I
tip my cap to him and we should congratulate him for that. But there's a
number of other, security and foreign policy questions, that I think
he's answered in the wrong way. For example, when he said that he was
going to surge the troops in Afghanistan, which I think was the correct
call, I didn't think he should have simultaneously announced the
withdrawal date and sent the message that we're really not committed
there to finish the job. So, that's one example of the kind of things
he'll have to account for.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, on Afghanistan, the Republican chairman of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Dick Lugar, says right now in the
wake of the Osama bin Laden killing, about 100 al Qaeda in Afghanistan,
he says that it's exceedingly difficult to conclude that our vast
expenditures in Afghanistan represent a rational strategy. Do you agree?
PAWLENTY: Well, I've been to Afghanistan three times, as recently as
last fall. It's not just al Qaeda. Of course, there's other terrorist
groups, concerning groups, including the Akhani network and the Taliban
and others. But our interest in Afghanistan, in terms of our security is
to make sure that we have the capability, either in Afghanistan or
nearby, to identify and eliminate any threats to the security interest
and safety of the United States or our interest in that region. It's not
to rebuild their whole country. But we hope, in the near term that they
can stand up their security forces to help establish and take over that
goal. And General Petraeus, when I met with him last fall, said we're
making good progress in that regard. So, I believe we can withdraw or
draw down our troops. But it should be determined by conditions on the
ground and our goals not some arbitrary date on the calendar.
STEPHANOPOULOS: What do you say- Let's turn to the economy right now.
We are all waiting on jobs numbers this morning. But there has been
fairly strong job growth over the last couple of months. Of course,
Americans still unsatisfied right now. But if the economy starts to
improve, what will be your line of attack against President Obama?
PAWLENTY: Well, the economy, if it's improving at all, is only doing
very slowly, and not by very big margins. And so, we had a president who
said, George, that he was going to cut the deficit in half, if he got
elected president. He didn't keep that promise. Our federal spending is
out of control. I think Americans realize we can't be a debtor nation
and that's ruining our country. He said he was going to fix the health
care system, with focus on costs and affordability. He broke that
promise. He didn't do it with Republicans, like he said. He said
initially he opposed the individual mandate. And now, he's in favor of
it. And I think the health care crisis is going to continue. He didn't
solve the problem. And, of course, we have these other issue. Like he
said don't raise the debt ceiling when he was a candidate or a senator,
because that's an example of quote/unquote, "failed leadership." And now
he wants to raise the debt ceiling. So, the list goes on and on and on.
He made all these promises. And he broke most of them.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Quickly, we only have ten seconds left. Our last poll
showed that only 43 percent of Republicans were satisfied with the
presidential field. Only five of you showed up last night. What do you
say to that?
PAWLENTY: Well, I'm not well-known across the country. I'm just getting
introduced. I think as I get better-known, and I have a chance to
introduce my record of leadership in Minnesota on taxes and spending, on
real reform on education and health care, we're getting real support
and good momentum. I don't think the election will be decided now. It
will be decided over the next year and a half. And we look forward to
doing well.
